His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
(founder of the Hare Krsna movement)
His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
(founder of the Hare Krsna movement)
by Purujit Dasa
But the idea of Carvaka Muni is actually not completely condemned because that is what spiritual life truly is–pleasure without work. Enjoy and don’t worry about the consequences is exactly how a servant of Krsna lives, because Krsna takes care of Him. When a soldier kills in war on the order of the government he gets a gold medal. However, when he comes back from war field and kills someone on the street he is arrested. Similarly, while an atheist so-called enjoys the interaction between his senses and the objects of the senses and suffers the reactions, a servant of Krsna is going on about his service to the Lord and because he surrenders the results of his service to Krsna, he is not subjected to the reaction to his action. He’s basically enjoying but there are no consequences. Krsna says:
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.
Visakha: Srila Prabhupada, they will accuse us of being parasites.
Prabhupada: No, I am not parasite. Your master. How do you say parasite? I am not going to beg from you. Parasites?
Brahmananda: Parasite lives off another.
Prabhupada: No, parasites means if I take others' property, others'. If I enjoy others'..., that is parasite. But we are not enjoying others' property. We are enjoying our father's property. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Krsna is the proprietor. Why do you say parasite? And we are good children of Krsna. Krsna says, "Don't work, I shall give you everything." (laughter) Actually, Krsna says that, that "Why you are working so hard?" Sarva-dharman parityajya mam...: [Bg. 18.66] "You just under Me, I shall give you protection, whatever you want." And we are getting everything. Why parasite?
Morning Walk -- June 29, 1975, Denver
Atheism is based on seeking pleasure without responsibility, but the seeking of pleasure itself is ironically also God consciousness, because God is the reservoir of all pleasure (Krsna), we just don’t see it. While the true theist understands the source of pleasure being God and serves Him, the atheist is simply trying to be God and gets illusion in return. Lover of God however understands very well that serving God is itself the pleasure. This can be understood in the following way.
In the relative world, there is a difference between name and substance. For example the word “water” relates to the substance water. In the absolute world however the name and substance are non-different. The name Krsna is therefore not a representation of Krsna, but it is Krsna Himself. Similarly, in the transcendental sphere the master and servant are non-different. Service in the transcendental world is therefore non-different from pleasure derived from it.
One should not think that his service in the material world and his service in the spiritual atmosphere are the same. We may shudder to think, "Oh, after liberation will I still be a servant?" This is because we have experience that being a servant in the material world is not very enjoyable, but transcendental service is not like this. In the spiritual world there is no difference between the servant and the master. Here, of course, there is distinction, but in the absolute world everything is one. For instance, in Bhagavad-gita we can see that Krsna has taken the position of servant as the chariot driver of Arjuna. In his constitutional position, Arjuna is the servant of Krsna, but in behavior we can see that sometimes the Lord becomes the servant of the servant [Cc. Madhya 13.80]. So we should be careful not to carry materialistic ideas into the spiritual realm. Whatever we have materially experienced is but a perverted reflection of things in spiritual life.
OWK 2: The Way of Chanting and Knowing Krsna
Ultimately lust and love is the same energy manifested differently according to the desire of the individual.
When a living entity comes in contact with the material creation, his eternal love for Krsna is transformed into lust, in association with the mode of passion. Or, in other words, the sense of love of God becomes transformed into lust, as milk in contact with sour tamarind is transformed into yogurt.
Therefore it is only after the atheist becomes truly sincere about his ideal- pleasure without service and refuses to serve even the illusory “self”, which pushes him to the atheistic dogma, when his true knowledge begins. It is a conscious realization: I have been trying to enjoy the so-called “myself” for so many lives, still I am not happy. How come?
The Supreme Personality of Godhead expanded Himself into many for His ever-increasing spiritual bliss, and the living entities are parts and parcels of this spiritual bliss. They also have partial independence, but by misuse of their independence, when the service attitude is transformed into the propensity for sense enjoyment, they come under the sway of lust. This material creation is created by the Lord to give a facility to the conditioned souls to fulfill these lustful propensities, and when they are completely baffled by prolonged lustful activities, the living entities begin to inquire about their real position.
As opposed to material adaptive so-called education, which is indoctrinated, the science of self-realization therefore necessitates that one by his own free will makes the choice to try to understand the subject matter. It’s called surrender.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it possible to reform a person against their will?
Prabhupāda: No, not possible. [break]
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ...sign, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that someone is actually having change in heart?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What is the sign that someone is actually having change in heart?
Prabhupāda: By his action. [break] ...kasipu tried to make Prahlāda atheist. He failed. And Prahlāda tried to make his father theist. He failed. Don't you see?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So unless one agrees you cannot turn him. It is not possible. Five-years'-old boy, staunch devotee, and the powerful Hiraṇyakaśipu, father, who is threatening with his life and so many ways he tried that "You become atheist, godless. Otherwise I shall kill you." He did not agree. And similarly, the son also solicited the father that "You have got so much power by the grace of God. Why you are becoming atheist?" Both of them could not turn to their side. Prahlāda remained Prahlāda, and Hiraṇyakaśipu remained Hiraṇyakaśipu. [break] ...can expect that without agreeing, conceding, one can be reformed. No, that is not possible. Impossible.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Not simply by rubber stamp.
Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible. He must agree, "Yes." Therefore guru is required. Guru means, accept guru means, "Whatever you say, I will accept." That is guru. Otherwise friendly talk. Friendly talk will not do. To accept guru means "Now I accept you, guru, my instructor, without any argument," and that is acceptance. "Whatever you say, I shall do." That is agreement. Then he can be reformed. Śiṣyas te 'ha śādhi mā prapannam: "I surrender unto you. I become your disciple. Now you train me." Then he can be reformed. Otherwise not possible.
Devotee: When we were at school we accept a teacher and he teaches us mathematics or something like this, but when it comes to spiritual life and we accept a guru, people criticize by saying, "Oh, you're not thinking for yourself anymore."
Prabhupāda: Yes, you have surrendered. You say, "Yes, we have surrendered. That is the way." Tad viddhi praṇipātena [Bg. 4.34]. The first term is "surrender," praṇipāta. Otherwise it is not possible. If one does not surrender, there is no question of reformation. He must voluntarily surrender: "Yes. Whatever you say, I shall do." Then things can be advanced. Otherwise not possible.
Morning Walk -- October 17, 1975, Johannesburg
Because the atheists want to keep their illusory independence so they can try to satisfy themselves by themselves, they cannot understand anything about the confidential knowledge of self-realization. The reason for this is that without understanding our own mortality, or in other words that me and my body are different, I am an animal. My consciousness is so much engrossed in the illusion of bodily pleasure that I do not even bother to protect myself from death.
Prabhupada: ...animals. The animals... You keep the animals here, and take one of them, slaughter—they will think, "I am safe." This is animal. All of them will think, "Oh, I am safe. He is being taken. That's all." This is their dull brain, the modern animals.
Morning Walk -- June 7, 1975, Honolulu
yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke
sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ
yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij
janeṣv abhijseṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ
"A human being who identifies this body made of three elements with his self, who considers the by-products of the body to be his kinsmen, who considers the land of birth as worshipable, and who goes to the place of pilgrimage simply to take a bath rather than meet men of transcendental knowledge there, is to be considered as an ass or a cow."
Prabhupāda: The context is that if you cannot separate the living force, or the soul, from the body, then you are on the same position as the dog is thinking, "I am the body. I am a big dog. I can bark very loudly." And he's showing his capacity. And if we are talking big, big assembly, and in the same conception of life, that "I am this body," then where is difference?
Mike Barron: I cannot argue against that.
Prabhupāda: That is the point. That is the point. We have to understand this point. If we want to become more than the dog, you must find out in which sense we are more than the dog. That sense is understanding.... That is.... In Sanskrit word it is said, ahaṁ brahmāsmi: "I am Brahman. I am not this matter." That is knowledge.
Room Conversation -- April 20, 1976, Melbourne
Indian man (3): What is the harm if I become an animal also?
Prabhupada: You are already animal. There is no question of becoming animal. You are already animal. (laughter)
Indian man (3): So what is the difference between animal and a man?
Prabhupada: Because you do not know, therefore you are animal. Therefore you are animal. You do not know what is the difference between man and animal; therefore you are animal.
Morning Walk -- November 16, 1975, Bombay
It is for this reason Lord Krsna instructs us at the end of the Bhagavad-gita:
This confidential knowledge may not be explained to those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.
People in bodily conception of life are checked from understanding the spiritual science by Krsna’s material energy. Maya dhaksena praktri, which is not so easy to overcome.
srotram caksuh sparsanam ca
rasanam ghranam eva ca
adhisthaya manas cayam
The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain type of ear, tongue, and nose and sense of touch, which are grouped about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects.
For each of our 5 senses, namely smell, touch, sight, taste, sense of hearing Krsna has created 5 corresponding material elements: earth, water, fire, air, sound. We smell the earth, we see the fire, we feel the air, we hear the sound and we taste the water. While we think we are “satisfying ourselves” we’re simply identifying with the interaction which goes on between the senses and the material elements by a powerful force described in the following section of the Bhagavadgita:
Arjuna said: O descendant of Vrsni, by what is one impelled to sinful acts, even unwillingly, as if engaged by force?
The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.
As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, or as the embryo is covered by the womb, similarly, the living entity is covered by different degrees of this lust.
Thus, a man's pure consciousness is covered by his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and which burns like fire.
In India there is the story of a man who did not know what sugarcane was and was told that it was very sweet to chew. "Oh, what does it look like?" he asked. "It looks just like a bamboo rod," someone said. So the foolish man began to chew all kinds of bamboo rods. How can he begin to experience the sweetness of sugarcane? Similarly, we are trying to get happiness and pleasure, but we are trying for them by chewing this material body; therefore there is no happiness and no pleasure. For the time being there may be some little feeling of pleasure, but that is not actual pleasure, for it is temporary.
OWK 1: Throughway to Happiness
An atheistic man who is trying all kinds of “bamboo rods” in the form of cinemas, intoxication, illicit sex, etc is doing so because he is being impelled by lust, which kills the urge for self-realization. Just like throwing oil in the fire cannot decrease the fire, the more we serve lust, the more unsatisfied we are. Artificial needs cannot satisfy anyone. And no satisfaction ultimately leads to wrath.
While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.
So there is no intelligent class of man. That is the difficulty. Who is trying to control his mind, control his senses? This is the first condition to become a first-class man. As soon as a man sees a beautiful woman, immediately his mind is agitated. Where is the control? And as soon as the mind is agitated, the senses are agitated. And this is the first condition of the first-class man, that he should not be agitated in his mind, and agitated by senses. This is the first condition. So where is that school who is training to, how to control the mind, how to control the senses, how to become truthful, how to become cleansed, internally, externally. These are the signs of first-class men. So we are trying our little bit to make some men as first class. This is our teeny effort. We are not patronized by any interested person, neither by the government. By our own effort we are trying. So far big, big man, leaders, they are thinking, "This is all useless." And because they have taken these things are useless, now they are facing problems, "Crime. Why? What to do?"
Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia
Therefore when atheism comes to extreme it turns into aggression. Just like a tiger does not hesitate to attack in order to eat his flesh and will not hear any pleading for mercy, aggressors do not like to exactly have peaceful philosophical discourses on the aim of life. They don’t care. The senses are pushing them to act and to act fast. The government’s duty is therefore to protect the citizens from such unreasonable aggressors and not to artificially equalize the so-called knowledge of the aggressor, which serves as merely a justification device for their atrocities with the real science as described in the Vedic literature.
The animal cannot understand reasoning, so you have to take the stick. Then the animal will agree. If a dog entering room, you don't want him in, so you say, "Dog, don't enter." He'll not hear. And if you show a stick, it will go away. So for the dogs, for the animals, stick is required. That is war. And there is logic. You know this, argumentum vaculum. In logic there is. So when logic fails, you have to take to war. Not whimsically. You try to avoid war. And when the other party does not agree to logic, then there must be fight. So that is also necessary because all men are not abiding by logic. So everything is necessary if it used for good purpose. Just like surgical operation. The patient is crying, "Don't operate me, surgical." So it is necessary. Otherwise he'll not be cured. So war is not always bad. War is meant for good purpose. But if you use it.... Everything you can use for bad purpose. That is another thing, another side. But don't think that war is itself always bad, no.
Room Conversation -- April 22, 1976, Melbourne
The ksatriyas [administrators]should always be very strong to be able to give protection to the weak. They should not pose themselves as nonviolent. If violence is required, they must exhibit it.
Bg 16.1, Bg 16.2, Bg 16.3, Bg 16.1-3
A king should also be strict in chastising the atheists. In other words, an atheistic or godless government should never be supported by a king or governmental chief. That is the test of good government. In the name of secular government, the king or governmental head remains neutral and allows people to engage in all sorts of irreligious activities. In such a state, people cannot be happy, despite all economic development.
Those who will not hear logic and reason must be educated by punishment.
Experience is gathered by hearing and seeing. One who is less intelligent gathers experience by seeing, and one who is more intelligent gathers experience by hearing. When an intelligent person hears from the lawbooks and sastras, or scriptures, that stealing is not good and hears that a thief is punished when arrested, he refrains from theft. A less intelligent person may first have to be arrested and punished for stealing to learn to stop stealing.
NoI: verse 1
Those who violate the rules of the sãstras must be punished by the laws of nature.
Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence.
It is known that God is all-merciful, but here we find that God is never merciful to the demoniac. It is clearly stated that the demoniac people, life after life, are put into the wombs of similar demons, and, not achieving the mercy of the Supreme Lord, they go down and down, so that at last they achieve bodies like those of cats, dogs and hogs. It is clearly stated that such demons have practically no chance of receiving the mercy of God at any stage of later life. In the Vedas also it is stated that such persons gradually sink to become dogs and hogs. It may be then argued in this connection that God should not be advertised as all-merciful if He is not merciful to such demons. In answer to this question, in the Vedanta-sutra we find that the Supreme Lord has no hatred for anyone. The placing of the asuras, the demons, in the lowest status of life is simply another feature of His mercy.
Punishment by a righteous government is therefore actually an act of compassion. If the criminal is punished by the government he does not have to undergo a more severe punishment by the laws of karma and is thus saved from degrading into lower species of life.
Everything has its proper utility, and a man who is situated in complete knowledge knows how and where to apply a thing for its proper utility. Similarly, violence also has its utility, and how to apply violence rests with the person in knowledge. Although the justice of the peace awards capital punishment to a person condemned for murder, the justice of the peace cannot be blamed because he orders violence to another person according to the codes of justice. In Manu-samhita, the lawbook for mankind, it is supported that a murderer should be condemned to death so that in his next life he will not have to suffer for the great sin he has committed. Therefore, the king's punishment of hanging a murderer is actually beneficial.
Unfortunately, in the modern days those who are supposed to be protectors are actually the aggressors themselves. Rogues and thieves take government posts and plunder the citizens of their hard earned money and spend for their sense gratification. When the resources run out and there’s a danger of rebellion from the citizens, the modern politicians declare war and they steal from other nations.
One does not have to be qualified with knowledge to be a leader, simply to show his strength is enough. Everyone is therefore gathering weapons and bombs, just to show off like dogs barking at each other and showing teeth. When bombs are made, someone has to be attacked though, so the money is not wasted. Therefore the program of the politicanos is based on finding an enemy. Without an enemy politicano has no meaning. Finding an enemy is a life-force for a clever strategy of how to establish oneself as the illusory “saver” from the enemy. Unable to resolve the problems created by the nonsensical propagation of the unscientific religion of branch watering, this is the only thing a rascal politicano can do right- create conflicts. Because he does not recognize God’s existence, he cannot see other living beings as His parts and parcels. He sees them only as possible threats to his false godhood.
idam adya maya labdham
imam prapsye manoratham
idam astidam api me
bhavisyati punar dhanam
asau maya hatah satrur
hanisye caparan api
isvaro 'ham aham bhogi
siddho 'ham balavan sukhi
adhyo 'bhijanavan asmi
ko 'nyo 'sti sadrso maya
yaksye dasyami modisya
The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything, I am the enjoyer, I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice." In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.
Bg 16.13, Bg 16.14, Bg 16.15, Bg 16.13-15
The theory of the survival of the fittest and the theory of overpopulation therefore come in handy. We have a right to attack a small nation, because it’s smaller. Those who are fit survive, those who aren’t die off. It’s just nature, sorry guys. And we do have a right to kill the innocent, because it’s overpopulation anyway. So why not? This is the logic of a demonic brain.
Vietnam, send all the men to fight and kill them. As soon as there is overpopulation, they declare war so that people may be killed.
Morning Walk -- February 12, 1976, Mayapura
There is no question of overpopulation. This is a false theory. If God can create, He can maintain also. And actually, this is the fact. I am travelling all over the world. There are so much vacant places upon the surface of the globe that, that ten times more than the present population can be easily maintained. But we, we, we do not know how to use it. In Africa, in Australia, in your America, enough land still lying. But because we have encroached upon the land of Krsna, the difficulty's there. China is overpopulated. India is overpopulated. But we, if we take to Krsna consciousness, these difficulties will be over within a second.
Krsna consciousness means to take everything Krsna's. I am also Krsna's. That is Krsna consciousness. Actually, that is the fact. Everything... Krsna means God. Everything belongs to God. I also belong to God. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Everything belongs to God. That's a fact. But we do not not accept the fact. We take something illusory. Therefore, it is called maya.
Just like the Americans. They are claiming this land is for the American group. Similarly, other nations, they're... but the land actually belongs to God. The land, the sky, the water, and the products in the land, in the sky, in the water, everything belongs to God. And we are children of God. We have got the right to live at the expense of father. Just like we live, small children. They live at the cost of father. Similarly, we also live by the arrangement of God. Why should we claim that this is our property?
Bhagavad-gita 4.13 -- New York, April 8, 1973
To figure out who is the enemy is not that difficult. It can be anyone as long as he can be defeated easily. Powerful dictators such as Hitler were able to channel the frustration felt by the unsatisfied citizens into the persecution of the made up enemy, a scapegoat, namely Jews and thus justify tremendous horrors. By blaming the made-up enemy for the misery of a nation, the politicanos cleverly hide the fact that they themselves besides plundering the people’s money through taxes have no program at all.
This is the civilization, cheating, bluffing. That's all. They don't care for the citizens. And as soon as there is some agitation, they declare war, so that they can be engaged, attention is diverted. This is going on.
Rome, May 25, 1974
Morning Walk At Villa Borghese
to be continued...