His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
(founder of the Hare Krsna movement)
His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
(founder of the Hare Krsna movement)
by Purujit Dasa
UNCOVERING THE MYSTERY OF ATHEISM
In the Bhagavad-gita, Lord Sri Krsna says:
The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.
Because they are eternal, the parts and parcels of Krsna can never become Krsna, neither can Krsna become His part and parcel. This is a fundamental understanding. Such relationship continues eternally:
na tv evāhaṁ jātu nāsaṁ
na tvaṁ neme janādhipāḥ
na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ
sarve vayam ataḥ param
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.
Both the Supreme Soul Krsna and the minute soul, the living entity have the unique ability to transcend matter and this is called freedom. In the transcendental atmosphere of the spiritual abode material limitations as we experience in this conditioned world are conspicuous by their absence. As opposed to the material world where at every moment we are being checked by miseries imposed on us by the mind, nature and other living entities, everything in the spiritual world floats on freedom. For this reason, it is always possible for the minute spiritual living entity to leave the spiritual world and thus come under the influence of Krsna’s lower material energy. Besides transcending matter, freedom also means a choice to loose it and for this reason, there is no barrier to check us from choosing the binding miserable existence in the material world.
The idea of leaving arises, when the minute soul becomes dissatisfied with the eternal reality of his constitutional position of being the minute part of the Supreme Lord and when he naively tries to overtake Krsna’s eternally supreme position. As opposed to the material world, where the living entities are always in need of remuneration for the pseudo-love they offer to others, our original relationship with the Lord is purely unconditional and therefore devoid of any kind of expectation of reward in exchange for our service to Him. A pure devotee, due to his perfect self-realization is fully satisfied within himself and thus being a complete part of all-blissful Krsna his only pleasure is to serve the Lord. Similarly, the Lord being the reservoir of all-pleasure is also not in need of anything and therefore feels more pleasure by serving His devotee rather than actually receiving service from the devotee. When the living entity foolishly desires to cut such eternal and harmonious relationship and wants to become Krsna Himself, the Lord, who is always ready to satisfy His devotee, fulfills such a wish in the most genius way by giving him illusion, or maya (that which is not), which makes the living entity believe that he has indeed become the Lord. Krsna does this in order to preserve the principle of freedom reigning in the spiritual world. In this connection His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada remarks in his commentary on the 7th Chapter, 21st verse of the Bhagavad-gita:
Some may ask why the all-powerful God gives facilities to the living entities for enjoying this material world and so lets them fall into the trap of the illusory energy. The answer is that if the Supreme Lord as Supersoul does not give such facilities, then there is no meaning to independence.
Bg 7.21 purport
The various misconceptions of the “self” that are known in today’s society form various manifestations of the illusion Lord Krsna has expertly manufactured for our whimsical satisfaction.
for the above mentioned theory, we are still in darkness as how the homogeneous matter could create an illusion of separated individual existence. When we speak of illusion, it must be derived from reality. For example, if we know how a snake looks like, we can have an illusion of seeing a snake in the darkness. If we don’t know how a snake looks like, how can we have an illusion of seeing one? Similarly, we can ask if all that exists is one all-pervading matter and nothing else, where is the temporary illusion of individuality coming from?
The materialistic scientists’ silence at this point speaks for itself and while they are busy coming up with yet another edition of scientific jargon to camouflage their gross ignorance on the subject, we dare to say that “you” do exist and there’s also an empirical proof to support it –your own perception. While being busy looking for evidence of “you” outside here and there in chemicals, mathematics, or microscopes, it is the closest thing-our own consciousness. It is because of consciousness you are for example able to read this article. Your consciousness is the perceivable evidence that individuality separate from what you are reading exists. The question therefore is not whether individuality exists, but quite the opposite, why it should not? Where is the evidence that it does not exist?
We wonder why modern man wants to deny his existing. Why does he constantly doubt such an obvious fact? The answer is that his consciousness is presently adulterated by various dogmatic beliefs, which keep him so to speak apart from his own self. These various irrational beliefs influence his perception to such an extent that he ends up perceiving the world around him in a distorted way. Just like in the Middle Ages, he has given up on his discriminative powers and let the so-called scientists, who are nothing but a mere replacement of a dogmatic church in disguise tell him what to think. The so-called scientific conclusions are firmly based on the observations made through imperfect senses of imperfect human beings. For example, although the sun is a globe, from the position we’re in right now, we perceive it as a yellow disc. The sun is a globe though, so we see the sun as something completely different from what it really is. Such a faulty conclusion is due to our blindly believing the dictation of our imperfect eye-sight. Our eye-sight just as all the other senses are by their very essence limited though. The scientist however persists that unless a phenomenon can be seen by such limited sense perception, it cannot be accepted as a fact. He can be compared to a fool who, while wearing non-transparent glasses complains about insufficient evidence of the existence of seeing ability. Although his so-called objective scientific conclusions are relative on account of his relative perception and are therefore always changing, ignorance of such a crucial point, namely that his perception is distorted makes all his science completely subjective.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: This is the scientist's point of view. He's just observing, observing, observing, and therefore he feels almost left out of it. So they want to participate. They're very attracted to the...
Prabhupāda: But he's observing himself or not? Or he's simply observing outside himself?
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: Bhagavad-gītā says that he is observing his body, his field of activities.
Prabhupāda: No, Bhagavad-gītā... I am asking...
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: He's observing outside of himself.
Prabhupāda: Then why does he not observe himself, that "What I am?" "Am I this body? Or what I am? Why I am full of anxieties?"
Room Conversation with Robert Gouiran, Nuclear Physicist from European Center for Nuclear Research -- June 5, 1974, Geneva
Our perception is constantly being conditioned by the ever-changing workings of nature. This conditioning is the root cause of why we develop so many irrational conclusions in regards to the nature of the self. The real science of the soul therefore is not a question of believing an imposed dogma, but quite the opposite, it means to get free from all sorts of irrational beliefs based on imperfect sense perception and come to our original unadulterated consciousness, or Krsna consciousness. Only then, will we be able to see things as they are and thus begin a truly scientific study. The aim of this article is therefore to map various misconceptions concerning the existence of the soul, scientifically point out their flaws based on logic and arguments and establish “you” to be an irrevocable fact based on what you truly perceive.
by Purujit Dasa
Because of the conditioned soul’s identification with matter, he suffers from a loss of discriminatory power which is called ignorance. Whether it’s the inability to see the difference between a genuine leader and a cheating politician, the difference between the self and the body, monkey and man, faith and science etc. in all cases, the loss of discriminatory power distorts how he perceives world around him and it affects how he is trying to solve different problems in our society. As long as people remain ignorant, there will always be problems and no law can prevent it. The public knows that the laws are there and they are being subjected by them but they do not really know why they should follow these laws and that is why they will always be tempted to break them. Therefore education is necessary.
Simply enforcing laws and ordinances cannot make the citizens obedient and lawful. That is impossible. Throughout the entire world there are so many states, legislative assemblies and parliaments, but still the citizens are rogues and thieves. Good citizenship, therefore, cannot be enforced; the citizens must be trained. As there are schools and colleges to train students to become chemical engineers, lawyers or specialists in many other departments of knowledge, there must be schools and colleges to train students to become brāhmaṇas, kṣatriyas, vaiśyas, śūdras, brahmacārīs, gṛhasthas, vānaprasthas and sannyāsīs. This will provide the preliminary condition for good citizenship (varṇāśrama-guṇān-vitāḥ).
Sb original 9.10.50
Syamasundara dasa: Does this mean that when people are enlightened
with proper knowledge, they will automatically become good?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. It is stated in Bhagavad-gita:
yathaidhamsi samiddho 'gnir
bhasmasat kurute 'rjuna
bhasmasat kurute tatha
"As the blazing fire turns firewood to ashes, 0 Arjuna, so does the fire
of knowledge burn to ashes all reactions to material activities." (Bg.
4.37) The fire of knowledge consumes all sinful activities. To this end,
there is need for education. People are born ignorant, and education is
needed to remove their ignorance. Since they are born illusioned by the
bodily conception, people act like animals. They therefore have to be
educated to understand that they are different from the material body.
Syamasundara dasa: Why is it that some people who receive this knowledge
later reject it?
Srila Prabhupada: Then it is not perfect knowledge. When one actually
receives perfect knowledge, he becomes good. This is a fact. If one is
not good, it is because he has not received perfect knowledge.
Syarnasundara dasa: Is there not a class of men that is always evil?
Srila Prabhupada: No.
Syamasundara dasa: Can any man be made good?
Srila Prabhupada: Certainly, because the soul is by nature good. The
living entity is covered by the inferior modes of material nature, by passion
and ignorance. When he is cleansed of this covering, his goodness
will emerge. The soul is originally good because it is part and parcel of
God, and God is all good. That which is part and parcel of gold is also
gold. Although the soul is covered by matter, the soul is all good. When
a sharpened knife is covered by rust, it loses its sharpness. If we remove
the rust, the knife will once again be sharp.
Discussion on Socrates
An atheist however cannot understand the concept of eternity, because his mind is constantly oscillating between two dualities: desire and hate. He wants to be God(enjoyer of this world) and hates when he finds out that he is not. It is a never ending chain of trail and error life after life. Furthermore, the educational system, the government and the so-called culture of a modern man, are all pushing him to become nothing, but a helpless puppet who dances to the repetitive tune of the atheistic doctrine. Watching him blabbering about evolution theory, how the world can be a peaceful place by the use of atomic warfare and how we can solve the crime while letting our animal instincts run loose, one has to simply tolerate and let him pass by. His free will and individuality is for the time being completely taken over by the dictates of the cult of animals. Unless he himself makes a conscious choice to study the Vedic literature in order to get out of his diseased conditioned, it is not possible for him to revive his original freedom.
Brhad Naradya Purana however says:
harer nama harer nama
harer namaiva kevalam
kalau nasty eva nasty eva
nasty eva gatir anyatha
(Brhan-naradiya Purana 38.126)
"In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy, the only means of deliverance is chanting of the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way."
The Vedic literatures give us an exact account of what is going to happen in the future. Although written 5000 years ago they for example predict the appearance of Lord Buddha, who appeared only 2600 years ago. The present times are described in the Vedas as the age of Kali, the age of quarrel and hypocrisy and just as in the previous ages, there’s a process of self-realization given which is especially potent now. If the modern man simply hears the maha-mantra: Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, this vibration penetrates all the layers of atheistic brain dirt and penetrates right into the self and awakens it. Although he might be under the hypnosis of the atheistic faith, the transcendental sound has such a power that it interacts with the soul directly and no material barrier can check such purification. By hearing the Hare Krsna mantra and later on by chanting the same, one awakens his desire to get out of the material entanglement and engage in his real activity –devotional service to Krsna.
nitya-siddha krsna-prema 'sadhya' kabhu naya
sravanadi-suddha-citte karaye udaya
"Pure love for Krsna is eternally established in the hearts of living entities. It is not something to be gained from another source. When the heart is purified by hearing and chanting, the living entity naturally awakens.
Just like when a man remains unconscious under some intoxication or snake bite, there are some herbs. If it is put before the nostril and if the patient smells, immediately he gets consciousness. Similarly, Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that "I have brought also one medicine." Enechi ausadhi maya nasibaro lagi': "This medicine can dissipate your this forgetfulness under the spell of maya." Enechi ausadhi maya nasibaro. What is that? Hari-nama maha-mantra lao tumi: "This is this chanting Hare Krsna mantra. You please take it." The idea is that if one simply chants Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare, his unconscious stage, or sleeping stage under the spell of illusory maya, will gradually vanish.
Purport to Jiv Jago -- Columbus, May 20, 1969
Lord Caitanya, who preached Krsna consciousness in the modern world, gave great stress to hearing because if the common man simply hears from authoritative sources, he can progress, especially, according to Lord Caitanya, if he hears the transcendental vibration Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. It is stated, therefore, that all men should take advantage of hearing from realized souls and gradually become able to understand everything.
The duality created by the conditioned soul’s rebellion against the Supreme Lord manifests as the two functions of the mind –sankalpa vikalpa. We always accept something for our illusory enjoyment and then we reject it when the illusion is over. In this way we struggle day by day with the mind. Mantra means to deliver us from the mind. (man- the mind; trayete –deliver). Material sound cannot deliver the soul because anything material is dualistic, ever-changing and therefore unsteady. But the Hare Krsna mantra is not a sound of this material world. It is actually non-different from Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead coming from the spiritual world and the proof is that a devotee of Krsna is able to chant this Hare Krsna mantra 24 hours a day and not feel tired, whereas with a mundane vibration one gets tired very fast.
So we should always be confident that this chanting is not a vibration of this material world. This is not vibration of material world. Narottama dasa Thakura says, golokera prema-dhana hari-nama-sankirtana. It is imported from the spiritual world. It is completely spiritual. Otherwise how it is possible? Sometimes the so-called yogis, they say that chanting... In Bombay there is a so-called rascal, he says, "The chanting of Hare Krsna mantra and chanting of Coca-cola is the same." He is such a rascal. He does not know that this is not a vibration of this material world. But one who has no knowledge, they think that "What is the meaning of this chant, 'Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna'?" But they can practically see that we can go on chanting day and night, still we shall not become tired, but any other material name you take, after chanting three times you will feel tired. That is the proof. You can go on chanting day and night, you will never feel tired. So these people, poor people, they have (no) brain to understand.
Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.1.1-2 -- New York, April 19, 1973
Sinful public cannot understand the value of a sinless leader, therefore democratic system cannot bring any desired change, nor is punishing the aggressors by violence an ultimate solution. But by the means of hearing the transcendental science from a pure devotee of the Lord and engaging in the service of Krsna under his guidance, our lust rather than being killed can be nicely channeled or spiritualized.
The embodied soul may be restricted from sense enjoyment, though the taste for sense objects remains. But, ceasing such engagements by experiencing a higher taste, he is fixed in consciousness.
Lust is only the perverted reflection of the love of God which is natural for every living entity. But if one is educated in Krsna consciousness from the very beginning, that natural love of God cannot deteriorate into lust. When love of God deteriorates into lust, it is very difficult to return to the normal condition. Nonetheless, Krsna consciousness is so powerful that even a late beginner can become a lover of God by following the regulative principles of devotional service. So, from any stage of life, or from the time of understanding its urgency, one can begin regulating the senses in Krsna consciousness, devotional service of the Lord, and turn the lust into love of Godhead—the highest perfectional stage of human life.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: As you well know, many thieves are arrested numerous times and put into jail. Although they know that if they commit theft they will go to jail, still they are forced to steal, because of their unclean hearts. Therefore without cleansing the heart of the criminal, you cannot stop crime simply by more stringent law enforcement. The thief and the murderer already know the law, yet they still commit violent crimes, due to their unclean hearts. So our process is to cleanse the heart. Then all the troubles of this material world will be solved.
Lieutenant Mozee: That's a very difficult task, sir.
Śrīla Prabhupāda: It is not difficult. Simply invite everyone: "Come, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, dance, and take sumptuous prasādam." What is the difficulty? We are doing this at our centers, and people are coming. But because we have very little money, we can hold saṅkīrtana only on a small scale. We invite everyone, and gradually people are coming to our centers and becoming devotees. If the government would give us a large facility, however, we could expand unlimitedly. And the problem is big; otherwise why are there national news articles asking what to do? No civil state wants this criminality. That's a fact. But the leaders do not know how to stop it. If they listen to us, however, we can give them the answer. Why crime? Because people are godless. And what to do? Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa and take prasādam. If you like, you can adopt this process of saṅkīrtana. Otherwise, we will continue conducting it on a small scale. We are just like a poor medical man with a small private practice who could open a big hospital if he were given the facility. The government is the executor. If they take our advice and adopt the process of saṅkīrtana, then the problem of crime will be solved.
SSR 6a: Crime: Why and What to Do?
In this way our almost eternal hate for God can turn into love and we can thus return to our original home back to Godhead.
(the end of the series)
by Purujit Dasa
When the scientific background for religion is missing, people become hypocrites. They use religion simply as a sentiment or social decoration without following any rules and regulations and thus deviate from the bona fide teachings of God.
Prabhupada: Secular means government's duty is that "You call yourself a Hindu. Whether you are acting as Hindu? You call yourself as Muslim. Whether you are acting as Muslim?" This is government's duty. Govern ment does not say or prefer that "You are Christian. It is not good. You become Hindu." No, that is not government's... You remain your Christian, but government's duty is that whether he is acting as Christian. This is government's duty. Not that you are acting like a something else, and you are calling yourself Christian. You are acting like a sudra, and you are advertising yourself as a brahmana. So just like a, what is called, quack. If he writes, "Dr. something," that is punishable.
Vrndavana, April 20, 1975
Conversation With Governor
But although people in general are fond of criticizing the religious fanaticism, they still do not realize that godless secularism is as equally limited and narrow minded.
aharit sarvasya prabhavo
mattal], sarvarit pravartate
"I am the origin of everything. Everything is emanating from Me." (Bg.
10. 8) The Vedanta-sutra also states: janmadyasya yatah,. "The Supreme
Being is He from whom everything is emanating." It is a fact that there
must be a source of everything, and it is the business of philosophy to
find that original source. It is neither scientific nor philosophic to try to
obscure or ignore the original source.
Discussion on Bacon
The contribution of His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder and spiritual master of the Hare Krsna movement to the modern world is therefore immense. On the authority of the Vedas, he is connecting our concept of science and our concept of religion explaining them not as separate processes working against each other, but as simultaneously helping in understanding the true universal knowledge- the Absolute Truth, Krsna, or God who connects us all on all possible platforms.
Science must be based on logic and philosophy. Science means that. And religion means sometimes sentiments. So religion without philosophy is sentiment, and philosophy without religion is mental speculation. Both must be combined. Then it is perfect. You cannot have religion without philosophy. That is sentiment, fanaticism. And if you simply take philosophy without religion, without sense of God, this is mental speculation. So religion must be on the basis of science and logic. That is first-class religion.
Bhagavad-gita 7.1-3 -- Stockholm, September 10, 1973
Because there is God, the supreme leader in the spiritual world, there must be a political leader in the material world. Janmadya yasya yatha. God is the original cause, and all the different varieties are coming from Him. Someone is stronger, someone weaker. To put everyone on an equal level is simply a denial of God’s variegated and therefore blissful nature. To want a situation without a leader is yet another form of atheistic hallucination.
So in that Vedic literature this is, this verse is there, nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). A leader, the supreme leader of all living entities—God, or whatever you say, the Absolute Truth, the Absolute Person. Generally, we say God. God is also a person like you and me. Just like whenever you find out some leader, he must be a person. Impersonal cannot be leader. Is there any instance... In the modern history they have abolished monarchy, personal government. They have got democratic government or republican government. But still, they have to find out a president. Why? Why not without president? No. That cannot be done. There must be one leader. Any movement, any organization, there must be. And he must be a person.
Lecture -- Seattle, October 11, 1968
The proposition, that the society can work without a head or that any part of the body can do the head’s work is very unnatural. Such nonsense ideas are the very source of all conflicts.
Syamasundaia dasa: He states that values must obey the will of God as
expressed in natural law, the laws upon which men agree, such as social
contracts, and the established traditions, customs, and opinions of mankind.
He states that our laws must be obeyed in such a way that we will
exist in harmony.
Srila Prabhupada: And what is that harmony? Perfect harmony is in
knowing that we are part and parcel of God. In this body, there are
different parts, and each part has a particular function. When each part
performs its function, the body is harmonious. The hand is meant for
touching, lifting, and grasping, but if the hand says, "I shall walk," there
is disharmony. Being part and parcel of God, we have a particular function.
If we fulfill that function, there is harmony. If we do not, there is
disharmony. The law of nature means working in harmony with the desire
''This material nature is working under My direction, 0 son of KuntT,
and it is producing all moving and unmoving beings. By its rule this
manifestation is created and annihilated again and again." (Bg. 9.10)
Under Krsna's superintendence, everything is functioning in harmony.
Events do not happen blindly. In any organization, there is a supreme
authority under whose orders everything moves in harmony. Harmony
means that there must be some supreme superintendent. It is generally
said that obedience is the first law of discipline. There cannot be harmony
Discussion on Locke
Just as the active soul is controlling the inactive body, similarly the intelligent men control the rest of the society through knowledge. If therefore the intelligent men of present society are victims of lust, the whole society suffers. In order to avoid this, there’s a scientific social system given by Krsna which helps to transform material lust into love of God.
According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.
In the material world, we have different material propensities. Someone is a teacher, someone a mechanic, someone an artist and instead of denying these propensities and suppressing them for the sake of imaginary equality, Krsna clearly indicates that these propensities should be fully engaged in devotional service.
sreyan sva-dharmo vigunah
sva-dharme nidhanam sreyah
It is far better to discharge one's prescribed duties, even though they may be faulty, than another's duties. Destruction in the course of performing one's own duty is better than engaging in another's duties, for to follow another's path is dangerous.
The four classes of men, namely the intelligentsia (brahmanas), the rulers(ksatryias), the mercantile community (vaisyas) and the regular workers(sudras) are already present in every society. These castes are not created artificially, as it is seen in the deviant Hindu tradition, but they are existing by nature. In every society, there are those who are inclined towards intellectual work just like big philosophers, scientists, priests, teachers. There are also those who have an inclination towards leadership like politicians and administrators. Also we see there are men who are inclined to do business and those who like to to work in some menial job. Not everyone has the same propensity. People are different.
The problem is that although the propensities are there, people are not educated how to dovetail these propensities in the performance of yajna (sacrifice) so their energy is used to please Krsna, or God, so everyone can benefit. Instead we see that due to misguided philosophy of life one selfish animal through different cheating tactics is leading other less-powerful animals. And because the cheating animal is simply led by his lust, naturally he is simply exploiting his power by protecting the interest of a certain group only. When the other groups find out, they drag him down. In this way, there’s a constant change of different animals who take turn in exploiting the mass without any substantial program on how to benefit everyone equally.
In modern civilization, the so-called social, national and government leaders mislead people more and more, under the bodily conception of life, with the result that all the leaders, with their followers, are gliding down to hellish conditions birth after birth. An example is given in Srimad-Bhagavatam. Andha yathandhair upaniyamanah: [SB 7.5.31] when a blind man leads several other blind men, the result is that all of them fall down in a ditch. This is actually happening. There are many leaders to lead the ignorant public, but because every one of them is bewildered by the bodily conception of life, there is no peace and prosperity in human society.
Without yajna, all their programs are based on lies and it cannot last. Therefore, there’s a need for change of the cheating on regular basis. In capitalism it’s called democracy, in communism it’s called revolution. Or as the saying goes in capitalism men control men, in communism it’s the other way around. One animal is followed by another one. Sometimes, the public becomes so disgusted that they prefer to have no leader at all and they take up anarchy or terrorism. This however cannot solve their problem either. Unless we come out of animal platform, there’s no question of peace.
Disciple: Last night in your lecture you made the analogy that if people don't follow God's laws, they'll be punished by God, just as they're punished for disobeying the state laws. So the young people thought you must be a fascist.
Srila Prabhupada: But this is actually happening all over the world. How can they deny it9 Government today means, "Might makes right." Somehow you take power, and then you are right. It is a question of which group gets the power.
Disciple: But they want to give the power to the people.
Srila Prabhupada: How will it be possible? There are so many people and so many different opinions—you have your people, and someone else has his people. As soon as you want to give the power to your people, the others will oppose. This is human nature; you cannot change it. They're thinking that the power should be given to the people, but there are many other people who will disagree. This is the nature of the material world: everyone is envious of everyone else. But these rascals don't have the intelligence to understand this. In India there was Gandhi—a gentleman, a very nice politician—but he was killed. So you cannot stop this. It is the nature of the material world—everyone is envious of others. You'll never be able to find a group of materialistic men who are perfect. So why do they say, "Give the power to the people"? They are simply rascals. Therefore, the Srimad-Bhagavatam says, paramo nirmatsaranam satam: Krsna consciousness is for the perfect, nonenvious person. Those who are not Krsna conscious must be envious. Everywhere you'll find competition, Krsna had enemies. Jesus Christ had enemies, or else why was he crucified? He had no fault, he was preaching God consciousness. Yet he was crucified. This is the material world. Even though one is perfect, still he'll have enemies. How can you stop it? They say, "Give the power to the people," but as soon as there is one good group of people governing, another group will stand against it. They will say, "Give the power to us." So where is your perfection? This is not perfection. Therefore, we have to give up all connection with this material world—that is perfection.
Disciple: But how can you avoid anarchy and have good government if you give up all connection with this world?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, this is the point—you have to follow the perfect authority.
Disciple: And this was their contention—you advocate following a superior authority,
Srila Prabhupada: If you want a perfect society, you must follow the perfect authority. You cannot Find perfection through mundane politics. You have to follow the real, recognized authorities—the perfect, liberated souls. This was the system in the Vedic culture. The authority was Lord Krsna and the Vedic literature, and society was directed by Manu [the forefather and lawgiver of mankind] and the Manu-samhita. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah: to attain perfection, we must follow the mahajanas—perfect, self-realized authorities.
Disciple: But these young people said even spiritual authorities are imperfect.
Srila Prabhupada: They may say that, but why should we accept their opinion—the opinion of imperfect rascals? Their only idea of authority is, "Might makes right." For instance, that group yesterday was advocating "Power to the people." So they have got some might, and they are pressuring, "You must accept this idea." And this is going on all over the world—"Might makes right." All the rascals are fighting with one another, and the one who is a little mightier becomes prominent. Thai's all.
Disciple: They say this is always the case—with any authority, it's just some leader who's pushed himself forward. So they've rejected all authorities.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, because all their so-called authorities have been imperfect. But there is a perfect authority also: Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And any authority who follows and teaches according to the instructions of Krsna is also perfect. That is authority. We Krsna conscious devotees are exactly following the authority of Krsna. In presenting Krsna consciousness, we are simply presenting the words of Krsna and trying to convince people, "Here is the real authority; if you follow you'll be happy." Krsna says, "You surrender unto Me." And we are saying, "Surrender to Krsna." We know that Krsna is perfect and that to surrender unto Him is perfection. And whenever we speak, we always Quote Krsna and Krsna's representatives.
Disciple: But in order for someone to surrender, doesn't he have to have faith in whoever is asking him to surrender?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, faith must be there. Therefore, in the Bhagavad-gita Krsna first of all proves that He is the Absolute Truth; then He asks for you to surrender. But you need to have the intelligence to understand—"This is Krsna"—then you surrender. In Bhagavad-gita Krsna does not say in the beginning, "You must surrender." First He explains everything—the body, the soul, all forms of yoga, all different kinds of knowledge. Then He gives the most confidential knowledge: "Give up everything else, and just surrender unto Me."
Everyone in this material world is imperfect. Without voluntary submission to a perfect person, everyone is imperfect. But one who has completely surrendered to Krsna or His representative-he is perfect. But if you do not surrender to the perfect authority, then you remain an imperfect rascal. You may be Napoleon, or you may be a small ant, but we want to see whether you have surrendered to Krsna or not. If not, then you're a rascal, that's all.
Conversation On “Might Makes Right”
to be continued...
by Purujit Dasa
But the idea of Carvaka Muni is actually not completely condemned because that is what spiritual life truly is–pleasure without work. Enjoy and don’t worry about the consequences is exactly how a servant of Krsna lives, because Krsna takes care of Him. When a soldier kills in war on the order of the government he gets a gold medal. However, when he comes back from war field and kills someone on the street he is arrested. Similarly, while an atheist so-called enjoys the interaction between his senses and the objects of the senses and suffers the reactions, a servant of Krsna is going on about his service to the Lord and because he surrenders the results of his service to Krsna, he is not subjected to the reaction to his action. He’s basically enjoying but there are no consequences. Krsna says:
mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.
Visakha: Srila Prabhupada, they will accuse us of being parasites.
Prabhupada: No, I am not parasite. Your master. How do you say parasite? I am not going to beg from you. Parasites?
Brahmananda: Parasite lives off another.
Prabhupada: No, parasites means if I take others' property, others'. If I enjoy others'..., that is parasite. But we are not enjoying others' property. We are enjoying our father's property. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Krsna is the proprietor. Why do you say parasite? And we are good children of Krsna. Krsna says, "Don't work, I shall give you everything." (laughter) Actually, Krsna says that, that "Why you are working so hard?" Sarva-dharman parityajya mam...: [Bg. 18.66] "You just under Me, I shall give you protection, whatever you want." And we are getting everything. Why parasite?
Morning Walk -- June 29, 1975, Denver
Atheism is based on seeking pleasure without responsibility, but the seeking of pleasure itself is ironically also God consciousness, because God is the reservoir of all pleasure (Krsna), we just don’t see it. While the true theist understands the source of pleasure being God and serves Him, the atheist is simply trying to be God and gets illusion in return. Lover of God however understands very well that serving God is itself the pleasure. This can be understood in the following way.
In the relative world, there is a difference between name and substance. For example the word “water” relates to the substance water. In the absolute world however the name and substance are non-different. The name Krsna is therefore not a representation of Krsna, but it is Krsna Himself. Similarly, in the transcendental sphere the master and servant are non-different. Service in the transcendental world is therefore non-different from pleasure derived from it.
One should not think that his service in the material world and his service in the spiritual atmosphere are the same. We may shudder to think, "Oh, after liberation will I still be a servant?" This is because we have experience that being a servant in the material world is not very enjoyable, but transcendental service is not like this. In the spiritual world there is no difference between the servant and the master. Here, of course, there is distinction, but in the absolute world everything is one. For instance, in Bhagavad-gita we can see that Krsna has taken the position of servant as the chariot driver of Arjuna. In his constitutional position, Arjuna is the servant of Krsna, but in behavior we can see that sometimes the Lord becomes the servant of the servant [Cc. Madhya 13.80]. So we should be careful not to carry materialistic ideas into the spiritual realm. Whatever we have materially experienced is but a perverted reflection of things in spiritual life.
OWK 2: The Way of Chanting and Knowing Krsna
Ultimately lust and love is the same energy manifested differently according to the desire of the individual.
When a living entity comes in contact with the material creation, his eternal love for Krsna is transformed into lust, in association with the mode of passion. Or, in other words, the sense of love of God becomes transformed into lust, as milk in contact with sour tamarind is transformed into yogurt.
Therefore it is only after the atheist becomes truly sincere about his ideal- pleasure without service and refuses to serve even the illusory “self”, which pushes him to the atheistic dogma, when his true knowledge begins. It is a conscious realization: I have been trying to enjoy the so-called “myself” for so many lives, still I am not happy. How come?
The Supreme Personality of Godhead expanded Himself into many for His ever-increasing spiritual bliss, and the living entities are parts and parcels of this spiritual bliss. They also have partial independence, but by misuse of their independence, when the service attitude is transformed into the propensity for sense enjoyment, they come under the sway of lust. This material creation is created by the Lord to give a facility to the conditioned souls to fulfill these lustful propensities, and when they are completely baffled by prolonged lustful activities, the living entities begin to inquire about their real position.
As opposed to material adaptive so-called education, which is indoctrinated, the science of self-realization therefore necessitates that one by his own free will makes the choice to try to understand the subject matter. It’s called surrender.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it possible to reform a person against their will?
Prabhupāda: No, not possible. [break]
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: ...sign, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that someone is actually having change in heart?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: What is the sign that someone is actually having change in heart?
Prabhupāda: By his action. [break] ...kasipu tried to make Prahlāda atheist. He failed. And Prahlāda tried to make his father theist. He failed. Don't you see?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So unless one agrees you cannot turn him. It is not possible. Five-years'-old boy, staunch devotee, and the powerful Hiraṇyakaśipu, father, who is threatening with his life and so many ways he tried that "You become atheist, godless. Otherwise I shall kill you." He did not agree. And similarly, the son also solicited the father that "You have got so much power by the grace of God. Why you are becoming atheist?" Both of them could not turn to their side. Prahlāda remained Prahlāda, and Hiraṇyakaśipu remained Hiraṇyakaśipu. [break] ...can expect that without agreeing, conceding, one can be reformed. No, that is not possible. Impossible.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Not simply by rubber stamp.
Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible. He must agree, "Yes." Therefore guru is required. Guru means, accept guru means, "Whatever you say, I will accept." That is guru. Otherwise friendly talk. Friendly talk will not do. To accept guru means "Now I accept you, guru, my instructor, without any argument," and that is acceptance. "Whatever you say, I shall do." That is agreement. Then he can be reformed. Śiṣyas te 'ha śādhi mā prapannam: "I surrender unto you. I become your disciple. Now you train me." Then he can be reformed. Otherwise not possible.
Devotee: When we were at school we accept a teacher and he teaches us mathematics or something like this, but when it comes to spiritual life and we accept a guru, people criticize by saying, "Oh, you're not thinking for yourself anymore."
Prabhupāda: Yes, you have surrendered. You say, "Yes, we have surrendered. That is the way." Tad viddhi praṇipātena [Bg. 4.34]. The first term is "surrender," praṇipāta. Otherwise it is not possible. If one does not surrender, there is no question of reformation. He must voluntarily surrender: "Yes. Whatever you say, I shall do." Then things can be advanced. Otherwise not possible.
Morning Walk -- October 17, 1975, Johannesburg
Because the atheists want to keep their illusory independence so they can try to satisfy themselves by themselves, they cannot understand anything about the confidential knowledge of self-realization. The reason for this is that without understanding our own mortality, or in other words that me and my body are different, I am an animal. My consciousness is so much engrossed in the illusion of bodily pleasure that I do not even bother to protect myself from death.
Prabhupada: ...animals. The animals... You keep the animals here, and take one of them, slaughter—they will think, "I am safe." This is animal. All of them will think, "Oh, I am safe. He is being taken. That's all." This is their dull brain, the modern animals.
Morning Walk -- June 7, 1975, Honolulu
yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke
sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijya-dhīḥ
yat-tīrtha-buddhiḥ salile na karhicij
janeṣv abhijseṣu sa eva go-kharaḥ
"A human being who identifies this body made of three elements with his self, who considers the by-products of the body to be his kinsmen, who considers the land of birth as worshipable, and who goes to the place of pilgrimage simply to take a bath rather than meet men of transcendental knowledge there, is to be considered as an ass or a cow."
Prabhupāda: The context is that if you cannot separate the living force, or the soul, from the body, then you are on the same position as the dog is thinking, "I am the body. I am a big dog. I can bark very loudly." And he's showing his capacity. And if we are talking big, big assembly, and in the same conception of life, that "I am this body," then where is difference?
Mike Barron: I cannot argue against that.
Prabhupāda: That is the point. That is the point. We have to understand this point. If we want to become more than the dog, you must find out in which sense we are more than the dog. That sense is understanding.... That is.... In Sanskrit word it is said, ahaṁ brahmāsmi: "I am Brahman. I am not this matter." That is knowledge.
Room Conversation -- April 20, 1976, Melbourne
Indian man (3): What is the harm if I become an animal also?
Prabhupada: You are already animal. There is no question of becoming animal. You are already animal. (laughter)
Indian man (3): So what is the difference between animal and a man?
Prabhupada: Because you do not know, therefore you are animal. Therefore you are animal. You do not know what is the difference between man and animal; therefore you are animal.
Morning Walk -- November 16, 1975, Bombay
It is for this reason Lord Krsna instructs us at the end of the Bhagavad-gita:
This confidential knowledge may not be explained to those who are not austere, or devoted, or engaged in devotional service, nor to one who is envious of Me.
People in bodily conception of life are checked from understanding the spiritual science by Krsna’s material energy. Maya dhaksena praktri, which is not so easy to overcome.
srotram caksuh sparsanam ca
rasanam ghranam eva ca
adhisthaya manas cayam
The living entity, thus taking another gross body, obtains a certain type of ear, tongue, and nose and sense of touch, which are grouped about the mind. He thus enjoys a particular set of sense objects.
For each of our 5 senses, namely smell, touch, sight, taste, sense of hearing Krsna has created 5 corresponding material elements: earth, water, fire, air, sound. We smell the earth, we see the fire, we feel the air, we hear the sound and we taste the water. While we think we are “satisfying ourselves” we’re simply identifying with the interaction which goes on between the senses and the material elements by a powerful force described in the following section of the Bhagavadgita:
Arjuna said: O descendant of Vrsni, by what is one impelled to sinful acts, even unwillingly, as if engaged by force?
The Blessed Lord said: It is lust only, Arjuna, which is born of contact with the material modes of passion and later transformed into wrath, and which is the all-devouring, sinful enemy of this world.
As fire is covered by smoke, as a mirror is covered by dust, or as the embryo is covered by the womb, similarly, the living entity is covered by different degrees of this lust.
Thus, a man's pure consciousness is covered by his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and which burns like fire.
In India there is the story of a man who did not know what sugarcane was and was told that it was very sweet to chew. "Oh, what does it look like?" he asked. "It looks just like a bamboo rod," someone said. So the foolish man began to chew all kinds of bamboo rods. How can he begin to experience the sweetness of sugarcane? Similarly, we are trying to get happiness and pleasure, but we are trying for them by chewing this material body; therefore there is no happiness and no pleasure. For the time being there may be some little feeling of pleasure, but that is not actual pleasure, for it is temporary.
OWK 1: Throughway to Happiness
An atheistic man who is trying all kinds of “bamboo rods” in the form of cinemas, intoxication, illicit sex, etc is doing so because he is being impelled by lust, which kills the urge for self-realization. Just like throwing oil in the fire cannot decrease the fire, the more we serve lust, the more unsatisfied we are. Artificial needs cannot satisfy anyone. And no satisfaction ultimately leads to wrath.
While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.
So there is no intelligent class of man. That is the difficulty. Who is trying to control his mind, control his senses? This is the first condition to become a first-class man. As soon as a man sees a beautiful woman, immediately his mind is agitated. Where is the control? And as soon as the mind is agitated, the senses are agitated. And this is the first condition of the first-class man, that he should not be agitated in his mind, and agitated by senses. This is the first condition. So where is that school who is training to, how to control the mind, how to control the senses, how to become truthful, how to become cleansed, internally, externally. These are the signs of first-class men. So we are trying our little bit to make some men as first class. This is our teeny effort. We are not patronized by any interested person, neither by the government. By our own effort we are trying. So far big, big man, leaders, they are thinking, "This is all useless." And because they have taken these things are useless, now they are facing problems, "Crime. Why? What to do?"
Room Conversation with writer, Sandy Nixon -- July 13, 1975, Philadelphia
Therefore when atheism comes to extreme it turns into aggression. Just like a tiger does not hesitate to attack in order to eat his flesh and will not hear any pleading for mercy, aggressors do not like to exactly have peaceful philosophical discourses on the aim of life. They don’t care. The senses are pushing them to act and to act fast. The government’s duty is therefore to protect the citizens from such unreasonable aggressors and not to artificially equalize the so-called knowledge of the aggressor, which serves as merely a justification device for their atrocities with the real science as described in the Vedic literature.
The animal cannot understand reasoning, so you have to take the stick. Then the animal will agree. If a dog entering room, you don't want him in, so you say, "Dog, don't enter." He'll not hear. And if you show a stick, it will go away. So for the dogs, for the animals, stick is required. That is war. And there is logic. You know this, argumentum vaculum. In logic there is. So when logic fails, you have to take to war. Not whimsically. You try to avoid war. And when the other party does not agree to logic, then there must be fight. So that is also necessary because all men are not abiding by logic. So everything is necessary if it used for good purpose. Just like surgical operation. The patient is crying, "Don't operate me, surgical." So it is necessary. Otherwise he'll not be cured. So war is not always bad. War is meant for good purpose. But if you use it.... Everything you can use for bad purpose. That is another thing, another side. But don't think that war is itself always bad, no.
Room Conversation -- April 22, 1976, Melbourne
The ksatriyas [administrators]should always be very strong to be able to give protection to the weak. They should not pose themselves as nonviolent. If violence is required, they must exhibit it.
Bg 16.1, Bg 16.2, Bg 16.3, Bg 16.1-3
A king should also be strict in chastising the atheists. In other words, an atheistic or godless government should never be supported by a king or governmental chief. That is the test of good government. In the name of secular government, the king or governmental head remains neutral and allows people to engage in all sorts of irreligious activities. In such a state, people cannot be happy, despite all economic development.
Those who will not hear logic and reason must be educated by punishment.
Experience is gathered by hearing and seeing. One who is less intelligent gathers experience by seeing, and one who is more intelligent gathers experience by hearing. When an intelligent person hears from the lawbooks and sastras, or scriptures, that stealing is not good and hears that a thief is punished when arrested, he refrains from theft. A less intelligent person may first have to be arrested and punished for stealing to learn to stop stealing.
NoI: verse 1
Those who violate the rules of the sãstras must be punished by the laws of nature.
Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence.
It is known that God is all-merciful, but here we find that God is never merciful to the demoniac. It is clearly stated that the demoniac people, life after life, are put into the wombs of similar demons, and, not achieving the mercy of the Supreme Lord, they go down and down, so that at last they achieve bodies like those of cats, dogs and hogs. It is clearly stated that such demons have practically no chance of receiving the mercy of God at any stage of later life. In the Vedas also it is stated that such persons gradually sink to become dogs and hogs. It may be then argued in this connection that God should not be advertised as all-merciful if He is not merciful to such demons. In answer to this question, in the Vedanta-sutra we find that the Supreme Lord has no hatred for anyone. The placing of the asuras, the demons, in the lowest status of life is simply another feature of His mercy.
Punishment by a righteous government is therefore actually an act of compassion. If the criminal is punished by the government he does not have to undergo a more severe punishment by the laws of karma and is thus saved from degrading into lower species of life.
Everything has its proper utility, and a man who is situated in complete knowledge knows how and where to apply a thing for its proper utility. Similarly, violence also has its utility, and how to apply violence rests with the person in knowledge. Although the justice of the peace awards capital punishment to a person condemned for murder, the justice of the peace cannot be blamed because he orders violence to another person according to the codes of justice. In Manu-samhita, the lawbook for mankind, it is supported that a murderer should be condemned to death so that in his next life he will not have to suffer for the great sin he has committed. Therefore, the king's punishment of hanging a murderer is actually beneficial.
Unfortunately, in the modern days those who are supposed to be protectors are actually the aggressors themselves. Rogues and thieves take government posts and plunder the citizens of their hard earned money and spend for their sense gratification. When the resources run out and there’s a danger of rebellion from the citizens, the modern politicians declare war and they steal from other nations.
One does not have to be qualified with knowledge to be a leader, simply to show his strength is enough. Everyone is therefore gathering weapons and bombs, just to show off like dogs barking at each other and showing teeth. When bombs are made, someone has to be attacked though, so the money is not wasted. Therefore the program of the politicanos is based on finding an enemy. Without an enemy politicano has no meaning. Finding an enemy is a life-force for a clever strategy of how to establish oneself as the illusory “saver” from the enemy. Unable to resolve the problems created by the nonsensical propagation of the unscientific religion of branch watering, this is the only thing a rascal politicano can do right- create conflicts. Because he does not recognize God’s existence, he cannot see other living beings as His parts and parcels. He sees them only as possible threats to his false godhood.
idam adya maya labdham
imam prapsye manoratham
idam astidam api me
bhavisyati punar dhanam
asau maya hatah satrur
hanisye caparan api
isvaro 'ham aham bhogi
siddho 'ham balavan sukhi
adhyo 'bhijanavan asmi
ko 'nyo 'sti sadrso maya
yaksye dasyami modisya
The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything, I am the enjoyer, I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice." In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.
Bg 16.13, Bg 16.14, Bg 16.15, Bg 16.13-15
The theory of the survival of the fittest and the theory of overpopulation therefore come in handy. We have a right to attack a small nation, because it’s smaller. Those who are fit survive, those who aren’t die off. It’s just nature, sorry guys. And we do have a right to kill the innocent, because it’s overpopulation anyway. So why not? This is the logic of a demonic brain.
Vietnam, send all the men to fight and kill them. As soon as there is overpopulation, they declare war so that people may be killed.
Morning Walk -- February 12, 1976, Mayapura
There is no question of overpopulation. This is a false theory. If God can create, He can maintain also. And actually, this is the fact. I am travelling all over the world. There are so much vacant places upon the surface of the globe that, that ten times more than the present population can be easily maintained. But we, we, we do not know how to use it. In Africa, in Australia, in your America, enough land still lying. But because we have encroached upon the land of Krsna, the difficulty's there. China is overpopulated. India is overpopulated. But we, if we take to Krsna consciousness, these difficulties will be over within a second.
Krsna consciousness means to take everything Krsna's. I am also Krsna's. That is Krsna consciousness. Actually, that is the fact. Everything... Krsna means God. Everything belongs to God. I also belong to God. Isavasyam idam sarvam [Iso mantra 1]. Everything belongs to God. That's a fact. But we do not not accept the fact. We take something illusory. Therefore, it is called maya.
Just like the Americans. They are claiming this land is for the American group. Similarly, other nations, they're... but the land actually belongs to God. The land, the sky, the water, and the products in the land, in the sky, in the water, everything belongs to God. And we are children of God. We have got the right to live at the expense of father. Just like we live, small children. They live at the cost of father. Similarly, we also live by the arrangement of God. Why should we claim that this is our property?
Bhagavad-gita 4.13 -- New York, April 8, 1973
To figure out who is the enemy is not that difficult. It can be anyone as long as he can be defeated easily. Powerful dictators such as Hitler were able to channel the frustration felt by the unsatisfied citizens into the persecution of the made up enemy, a scapegoat, namely Jews and thus justify tremendous horrors. By blaming the made-up enemy for the misery of a nation, the politicanos cleverly hide the fact that they themselves besides plundering the people’s money through taxes have no program at all.
This is the civilization, cheating, bluffing. That's all. They don't care for the citizens. And as soon as there is some agitation, they declare war, so that they can be engaged, attention is diverted. This is going on.
Rome, May 25, 1974
Morning Walk At Villa Borghese
to be continued...
by Purujit Dasa
sadrsam cestate svasyah
prakrter jnanavan api
prakrtim yanti bhutani
nigrahah kim karisyati
Even a man of knowledge acts according to his own nature, for everyone follows his nature. What can repression accomplish?
People will hanker after knowledge as long as they have a need for pleasure. Who would be interested to acquire mundane education without a diploma and a promise of a nice job promising sense gratification? Unfortunately, in a secular society, instead of deriving unlimited pleasure from Krsna, The Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is the reservoir of all pleasure, we become diverted to hallucinatory pleasure supplied by exploiters.
Just as a religious leader used the concept of hellfire to invoke more commitment towards the church in the past, the business brains of this age create the atmosphere of incompleteness in order to make the citizens devote their lives to the illusory pleasures of the body. Just think of the last time you saw the evening news, or read the morning news papers-murders, catastrophes, rapes, tornadoes, economical doomsday predictions, etc. Intelligent person asks: Why do I need to know all this? What is the use of this information? What is the benefit? Why are we being flooded by so much information about the horrors of this world?
The answer is that the TV News broadcast is how we now understand the “reality of the world”. The tube took the place of a scripture and portraying the world as “doomed” is actually an indirect blasphemy of God. Look at the monster God has created! He must be less intelligent! Look, it’s all mess and cut, now commercial break and all of a sudden you see an ideal life- man on a super duper nice car, with elegant clothes on and with a beautiful woman on his side, everything super awesome. If you put black and white next to each other, the contrast is stronger. Similarly, juxtaposition of “horrifying reality” and the ideals pushed by the shiny “commercials” makes the “reality” look worse and commercials better. They are the hellfire and heaven of the commercial gurus.
Because every living entity oscillates towards pleasure not suffering, after a while people naturally start to think of the commercials and movies as reality worthy of shedding tears about and the sufferings of others seen on the “news” as a fantasy we should not get too much emphatic about. They don’t know that the two are intimately connected. The advertised irresponsible life of sense gratification is the very cause of the suffering we see on the evening news.
Hayagriva: Mill concludes that the existence of evil in the universe, or what he considers to be evil, pain and death, excludes the existence of an omnipotent God. He sees man in a position to aid the intentions of providence by surmounting his evil instincts. So God is not all-powerful, infinite in His power. If He were, there would be no evil, according to Mill.
Prabhupada: No. God, evil is created by God undoubtedly, but the, it was necessary on account of the human being as, misuse of his free will. God gives him good direction but when he is disobedient, then naturally the evil power is there to punish him. Therefore the evil is not created by God but still it is created. It is necessary. Just like the government constructs the prison house. So this prison house creation is not the government's intention. Government wants that university is sufficient, people may be educated and highly enlightened, but because some, not all, misuses the independence, little independence, he creates evil circumstances, and he is compulsorily put into the prison house. Similarly, we suffer on account of our own evil activities but God, being Supreme, He punishes us for our evil activities. For God there isn't... When we are under the protection of God, there is nothing evil, only good thing. There is no evil. So God does not create evil but man's evil activities obliges God to create an evil situation.
Discussion on John Stuart Mill
One can only imagine that if cannibalism was made legal, people would probably not even protest, instead they would support it as long as it’s nicely advertised. So the media and modern entertainment is another way how the citizens are made to be dull-headed and if people are dull-headed, enslaving them in mindless jobs or even world wars is just a piece of cake.
to be continued...
by Purujit Dasa
Krsna begins His explanation of true freedom, when He presents logical explanation about how we are not the bodily dress, but an eternal spirit soul:
dehino 'smin yatha dehe
kaumaram yauvanam jara
dhiras tatra na muhyati
As the embodied soul continually passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. The self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.
This is not a dogma, nor blind faith. It is something very obvious which we can observe on daily basis with our very eyes. In the past I had a tiny body of a toddler, but all the material elements of that body are already gone. I am still here though. Although at the present moment I have a grown up body, my consciousness remains. From that we can understand that my consciousness is not affected by the death of the body.
nainam chindanti sastrani
nainam dahati pavakah
na cainam kledayanty apo
na sosayati marutah
acchedyo 'yam adahyo 'yam
akledyo 'sosya eva ca
nityah sarva-gatah sthanur
acalo 'yam sanatanah
The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can he be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind. This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, all-pervading, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.
The soul is eternal and not even atom bombs can destroy it. If we understand this, no one will be able to enslave us. “Us” is the soul. The purpose of materialistic education is therefore to teach people that they have no soul. In order to see this more clearly, let us start from the very definition of what intelligence actually is. The modern psychologists for define “intelligence” as “the ability to adapt to change“. According to this definition, those who are “intelligent” should not question their perception of reality. Whatever I perceive is the truth and I should adapt to it as effectively as possible like a chameleon instead of trying to figure out whether it’s true or not. But, if I am constantly adjusting my angle of vision according to things which I’m seeing, it is impossible for me to objectively observe anything for what it truly is. Quite the opposite, adapting to things I perceive is a distraction from actually perceiving them. Just like a thief who wants to distract our attention in order to steal something from our pocket will say: look, look, over here. No here, over here look here, no here, no here! look look! No here! No here!, while he pickpockets our golden watch. The development of such a school-imposed many- branched intelligence is distracting the student from self-realization and thus robs him of his own self.
The bona fide acaryas teach that perception of things around us comes from the soul. If the soul was also changing along with the objects of his observation, how could we observe? The fact, that we can observe change means that we, the spirit soul, or consciousness are not changing. If the aim of modern education is to develop “intelligence” then whatever knowledge we gather by such intelligence serves more like an intoxicant. After drinking alcohol people loose discrimination and sometimes instead of walking into a door walk into a wall. The materialistic so-called education similarly intoxicates one with the ever-changing “facts” and makes the student a slave who is constantly entering all kinds of doors of different departments of so-called knowledge so he can forget who he is in order to become who he is not.
The ludicrous concept of “adaptation to change” has its firm base in the theory of evolution. The popular theory claims that the different species of life on earth evolve one from the other through the above mentioned adaptation process. In this way, step by step starting from primitive forms such as bacteria the species develop throughout the ages into a complex human being. Those species which can adapt to change survive and develop more sophisticated body, those who can’t, die off. Although the word evolution implies two points in time, namely the non-evolved state and the evolved state, the evolutionists provide no explanation as to what exactly is the beginning of the evolutionary cycle, nor do we get to know from them what the different species are ultimately evolving towards to, which makes it incomplete.The original and perfect science of evolution as it is however, is coming from the 5000 years old Vedas.
asitim caturas caiva laksams tan jiva-jatisu
bhramadbhih purusaih prapyam manusyam janma-paryayat
tad apy abhalatam jatah tesam atmabhimaninam
varakanam anasritya govinda-carana-dvayam
"One attains the human form of life after transmigrating through 8,400,000 species of life by the process of gradual evolution. That human form of life is spoiled for those conceited fools who do not take shelter of the lotus feet of Govinda [Krsna].''1
jalaja nava-laksani sthavara laksa-vimsati
krmayo rudra-sankhyakah paksinam dasa-laksanam
trimsal-laksani pasavah catur-laksani manusah
"There are 900,000 species of aquatic life; 2,000,000 species of plants and trees; 1,100,000 species of insects; 1,000,000 species of bird life; 3,000,000 species of beasts, and 400,000 species of human life."
Besides, these references from the Puranas, the Vedic literatures give us elaborate information about the origin of the universe and how the universe will be destroyed in the distant future.
avyaktad vyaktayah sarvah
When Brahma's day is manifest, this multitude of living entities comes into being, and at the arrival of Brahma's night they are all annihilated.
The less intelligent living entities try to remain within this material world and are accordingly elevated or degraded in the various planetary systems. During the daytime of Brahma they exhibit their activities, and at the coming of Brahma's night they are annihilated. In the day they receive various bodies for material activities, and at night these bodies perish. The individual souls remain compact in the body of Visnu and are manifest again and again at the arrival of Brahma's day. When Brahma's life is finally finished, they are all annihilated and remain unmanifest for millions and millions of years. Finally, when Brahma is born again in another millennium, they are again manifest. The activities of the different species of living entities are begun from the very moment of the creation. It is not that all is evolved. The different species of life are created immediately along with the creation. Men, animals, beasts, birds-everything is simultaneously created, because whatever desires the living entities had at the last annihilation are again manifested. We are therefore changing the different forms of bodies according to how we evolve our consciousness. It is the consciousness which evolves, not the bodies.
We say that there are different types of bodies always, just like different types of apartment. But the living entity, the soul, is transferring from one apartment to another just like we change. We are in this room, we may go to another room—but that room is already ready. But I am entering a certain type of apartment according to my means. If I can pay more rent, I can get very nice apartment. If I do not pay, I cannot pay, then that is not possible. Similarly, according to our karma, nature is offering us different apartments, and these apartments are already there, fixed up, 8,400,000 species of life. So as you make yourself fit, you enter accordingly. It is not fixed up that because you are now in a very nice apartment you cannot go down or go up. If you are fit for entering into better apartment, that is also ready. And if you are unfit for entering a better, then lower class of apartment, that is also ready. So these things are already there.
Discussion on Bertrand Russell
Darwin says that the species evolve from lower to higher and by natural selection the weaker species are extinct, but we can challenge: if it is so, why are the lower species still here?
Syamasundara: Well, according to these men like Russell, the evolution of bodies, the changes from one body to another, those are simply physical.
Prabhupada: That is nonsense. That is nonsense. That we have already discussed, that if evolution of bodies, then just like this Darwin says that some monkeys, eh? So where is the direct proof that a monkey body is changing to a human body?
Discussion on Bertrand Russell
Let’s just use common sense, monkey might resemble human, but does it mean monkey is a human? A son might resemble father, but still son is son and father is father. They have separate identities. So we have to conclude that this is most certainly a lack of discriminative powers on the side of the Evolutionist. Because the theory of evolution is so widely indoctrinated, it is of no wonder that people have difficulty understanding the science of transmigration when Krsna explains it in the Bhagavad-gita (dehino smin yatha dehe). Due to the influence of this irrational concoction of bodily evolution, instead of realizing that the soul is changing different bodies from childhood, to youthhood, to old age, in general less intelligent class of men tend to think that it is the same body, which only evolves, which by itself is a complete contradiction.
With reference to your statement that you are concerned with this life alone, I could not follow what you mean by this. In this life also, you take care of educating your children. So if the child is not educated for the next stage of life, then how do you account for the child's youth-hood age. Life is a continuation. The baby grows to become a child, the child grows to become a boy, the boy grows to become a young man, the young man becomes a middle-aged man, and the middle-aged man becomes an old man. So with which stage of life are you concerned? I shall be glad to know in which stage of life you are interested.
9 May, 1976
The lack of discrimination can be seen also in the way of how the materialistic civilization evaluates knowledge. In the modern days one who can quote from as many sources as possible, or in other words has a roundabout view is considered more intelligent than someone who might quote only from the Bhagavad-gita. Because a modern word juggler can change his conclusion swiftly from one to the other, he’s recognized as an expert, no attention however is given to what actually he is saying.
Amogha: Usually in modern education they have the idea called "well-rounded point of view." They want to take some from here, from there, from that one and that one, that one, and then think about them all, and come up with a conclusion. So he is thinking it doesn't fit with their pattern of reasoning, how we take from one source and get the proper conclusion. They think they have to get from many sources and compare.
Prabhupada: How... I can reply that if you want to know who is your father, then you will have to take the knowledge from many sources, by votes, that who is your father?
Dr. Copeland: (laughing) It's not the same thing.
Prabhupada: Now he says, "not the same." You cannot offer reason. You have to take from one source, from the mother. That's all. You cannot take votes, "Can you say who is my father?" He will say this... He'll say, "He is your father." No, it is not the way. The way is to take the information from the right source, not take the votes of rascals and fools. That is not the way. One source. Even from scientific point of view, mathematics, "two plus two equal to four," you have to take from one source. Any mathematician will say like that. Nobody will say, "No, two plus two equal to five." "No, two plus two equal to three." Nobody will say. "Two plus two equal to four," everyone will say. This is not the way of securing knowledge, from here, there... Caitanya Mahaprabhu did not approve. And our Krsna, He said, imam rajarsayo viduh, evam parampara-praptam [Bg. 4.2]. That is the recommendation. And because that source is now missing, therefore it is lost. This process of knowledge, that we take knowledge from anyone and everyone, his opinion, what is that?
Not that everyone is in knowledge, but everyone can give his opinion. That is a different thing.
Dr. Copeland: That was my point, only that. Everybody should have an opinion.
Prabhupada: Everyone has got his opinion, that is different thing. But not that everyone has got the knowledge.
Dr. Copeland: Well, that's why we come to you, for knowledge.
Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Dr. Copeland: But I come to you for knowledge, and then I go to other people for knowledge too.
Prabhupada: That you go, but if you want real, right knowledge, then you must approach the man who knows right, not that you find out anyone and everyone and find out.
Room Conversation with Dr. Copeland, Professor of Modern Indian History -- May 20, 1975, Melbourne
In fact, no one can really explain the difference between knowledge and a belief. In this way, any fool can come, present his fanatical beliefs and if he’s a little skilful and is able to use sophisticated words, his belief will be accepted as “science”.
Prabhupada: But these rascals, they are simply placing some bogus theory without any authorized statement: "All of a sudden monkey once gave birth." And where is that authority?
Prabhupada: "Monkey gave birth to man, all of a sudden, millions of years..." Now, what is the support of your statement? Then anyone can say anything and it becomes science. You have no support. You are the first man. You are saying like this, nonsense. Where is your support? You are support of your statement? Then everyone will say, "I have got some statement, and I support. I am the support."
Room Conversation -- October 14, 1975, Johannesburg
Because our perception is always limited by the laws of material nature, it is not a specialty of a certain religious group to have a belief because everyone has some kind of belief. So far he’s not omniscient, even an atheist must believe there is no God. What distinguishes intelligence from foolishness is to discriminate between those beliefs which are nonsense and those that make a little sense. There are many different beliefs, but ultimately because I am an individual I want to make a decision which belief suits me the best and which does not. This is called freedom. This is what distinguishes me from an animal.
Prabhupada: Education means to do the right thing, not the wrong thing. That is education. Education means enlightenment, to know what is right, what is wrong. That is education…..
On the street there is sign board, "Keep to the left," or "Keep to the right." This is education. This is education. One must know how to run the car which side. Education means enlightenment. If you foolishly do something, immediately you become criminal. So education means to enlighten them to know what is right, what is wrong. That is education. But people do not know that.
Morning Walk -- January 6, 1976, Nellore
So although the theory of evolution has been elaborately supported by many scientists and there are tons of researches in this connection available, we should not be blind to the conclusion of such a theory. It is not sufficient to say that because they have done lots of study on the subject matter, it makes their conclusion automatically correct. If the conclusion is nonsense, than their research is also nonsense.
Because the Darwin’s concocted version of evolution, we have been conditioned to think that ultimately we are doomed to either be an animal, follow if we want to survive and if we don’t have a suitable body we cannot do anything about it. Materialistic knowledge therefore condemns people by indoctrinating them with the idea that thinking too deep is a waste of time.
They are gadha and they are creating gadhas. That is the song of Bhaktivinoda Thakura. Jada-vidya jato mayara... It is expansion of maya's illusory energy. The so-called scientific advancement is simply expanding the influence of maya's illusory energy. They're already rascals and fools, and still they are being made rascals and fools. So they're forgetting their real purpose of life and the whole human life is spoiled. This is the result of so-called scientific advancement.
Brahmananda: Bhaktivinoda Thakura also says that the modern education makes men just like an ass.
Prabhupada: That is, I am explaining. (pause) Just like this, what is called, anthropology?
Svarupa Damodara: Astrology?
Svarupa Damodara: Dar, Darwin? Oh, naturalists.
Prabhupada: No, No. There are...
Svarupa Damodara: Oh, archaeologists?
Prabhupada: No, no. Anthropology. There's a department...
Svarupa Damodara: Anthropologists study with the skulls and...
Prabhupada: Oh, oh. This is...
Svarupa Damodara: Yes.
Prabhupada: Anthropology. It is a false theory, and upon this so many universities are spending money, professors. Thousands. Rascal theory. You see. In this way, they're wasting money. Srama eva hi kevalam [SB 1.2.8]. Avisuddha-buddhayah [SB 10.2.32].
Morning Walk -- April 20, 1973, Los Angeles
Pusta Krsna: Actually our theory, even taken as a theory, that the soul is there and enters the body, and when the soul leaves, the body is finished, it's very palatable, very palatable. Very few people argue with it. It's simply that they've been miseducated. Therefore they are cheated. They accept.
Prabhupada: Yes. That is the difficulty, that, wholesale people have been miseducated. That is our protest. And this miseducated is ruling the whole world, all rascals
Room Conversation -- October 14, 1975, Johannesburg
to be continued...